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33 Responses to “Bangkok Recorder needs to get a clue!”

1. 1 anonzo Jan 4th, 2009 at 10:13 pm

   Maybe the post wasn’t deleted because some people used the comments section their to express their condolences. Nonetheless, I agree it should not be on the front page.
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2. 2 sideshowBOB Jan 4th, 2009 at 10:19 pm

   anonzo - sure but they should also be policing the comments but having it on the front page like this is bad. makes it look like a normal announcement for something going on. Also still popping up in people’s rss feeds. Super tacky.
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3. 3 Overlander Jan 4th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

   I think you’ve jumped to the wrong conclusion sideshowBOB.

   Bangkok Recorder is a blog that promotes nightclub events in Bangkok.

   The article promoting Santika’s ill-fated party is listed on the site’s home page simply because it is a recent post.

   You, of all people, should be familiar with how blogs work.

   It is perfectly obvious that no offense was intended.
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4. 4 sideshowBOB Jan 5th, 2009 at 12:27 am

   overlander - did not jump to anything and I am serious. since I do know how blogs work I know they can take it off the front page. Or they could delete it all together if they are not technical enough to get it off of the front page. They could do something to show some respect knowing that 60+ people died and they are still highlighting the said event on the front page - just below their post talking about the accident.

   my original feeling on this still stands

   thanks
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5. 5 Pattaya Ghost Jan 5th, 2009 at 12:30 am

   Much as newspapers pull all airline ads after a crash, blogs have a responsibility to remove such promotional articles.

   ssB — You take offense at the Recorder, but you linked out to Mike and his Mike’s Bar Guide with his own “Goodbye Santika” party promotional announcement post directly below the articles on the tragedy. Did you not notice that? Seems the same to me.

   (And what’s with all the broken images on his site too?)
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6. 6 sideshowBOB Jan 5th, 2009 at 12:31 am

   overlander - btw , I am not saying they mean offense by it but by not taking it down I think they are being insensitive.
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7. 7 sideshowBOB Jan 5th, 2009 at 12:40 am

   pg - mikes site is not very popular and he was at the scene so not really going to single him out. his site style also is much different - his front page is not promoting the event.

   feels somewhat different to me…

   but point noted
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8. 8 Pattaya Ghost Jan 5th, 2009 at 12:51 am

   I disagree. First thing I saw when I clicked throgh your link and went back to the home page was “Goodbye Santika” (complete with hype video) directly below the death and destruction (complete with video).
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9. 9 Overlander Jan 5th, 2009 at 1:02 am

   sideshowBOB - The article that you are badmouthing is simply a scan of the flyer that promoted the party. It is actually rather poignant.

   Beneath it, commenters offer their condolences.

   Your harsh words are completely inappropriate.
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10. 10 sideshowBOB Jan 5th, 2009 at 1:11 am

    pg - then same point really I just dont see mike’s site as being as popular as bangkok recorder though nor does his front page setup promote in the same way

    over - not sure u get my point.

    my point is they could be polite and take down the widget on the front page promoting an event where many people perished.

    I did not say delete it or ban comments but they don’t need to have the promotion of the event on the front page.

    That is my opinion. choose to disagree but asking a few people sitting around me at the bar they all agree as well.
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11. 11 jim Jan 5th, 2009 at 1:22 am

    I personally don’t find the old flyer still being up online in any way insensitive. Post seems a little harsh tbh, but meh, whatever.
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12. 12 Overlander Jan 5th, 2009 at 1:29 am

    “People sitting around me at the bar all agree as well”

    Maybe they would feel differently if you posted an actual link to the article so that they could see for themselves.

    http://www.bangkokrecorder.com/items/view/188/goodbye-santika-countdown-to-2009-with-joey-boy-concert
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13. 13 sideshowBOB Jan 5th, 2009 at 1:29 am

    jim - the beauty of the blog is people are free to express their opinions.

    so if on the bkk post website there was an ad for the event next to articles talking about the accident that would be okay? seems that would be odd to me and the br website basically feels the same way.

    my only point is the way the front page is still showing it.

    that’s all. maybe I am sensitive to it knowing people involved in the incident.

    knowing how EASY it is to edit this stuff the front page could simple be fixed so it was no longer showing the event promotion the same way it was showing it prior to the event and subsequent accident.
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14. 14 jim Jan 5th, 2009 at 1:31 am

    If the flyer was still up with something underneath it like -

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Look at these suckers!

    then I would find it insensitive. But just having old promotional material still up for whatever reason? Nothing worth raving about imo.
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15. 15 sideshowBOB Jan 5th, 2009 at 1:32 am

    over - my problem is not the article itself

    u seem to not get that

    my problem is the promotion of it on the front page right next to another article talking about the accident

    so slide your link in - not an issue with me.
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16. 16 Overlander Jan 5th, 2009 at 1:55 am

    sideshowBOB

    Your argument makes no sense. You have backtracked to the point that you say you no longer have a problem with the article yet you continue to insist that it should be removed from the homepage.

    You haven’t offered any credible reason why a scanned flyer and the condolences beneath it should be removed.
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17. 17 sideshowBOB Jan 5th, 2009 at 2:00 am

    over - u seem to not be able to read?

    this is what I said in my post:

    Sorry folks. I just don’t get it. Why would a website run on their front page an article about the Santika tragedy and below that article still run the article announcing the Santika NY’s Eve Party?

    my comments have not back tracked and still support my premise. I know the difference between the article being available and being promoted on the front page.

    do u?

    I am saying - as I stated in the post. I don’t think the article should be promoted on the front page next to another article talking about the accident.

    I did not say get rid of the article.

    that is my opinion.

    I have not altered it during this comment thread at all.
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18. 18 Santana Jan 5th, 2009 at 2:29 am

    What BOB is getting at is pretty simple and easy to understand IMHO.

    However, I can’t think why others are giving him grief?!
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19. 19 Overlander Jan 5th, 2009 at 2:42 am

    sideshowBOB

    I can read perfectly well, thank you.

    Your purported outrage at seeing these two articles juxtaposed on the same page would only make sense if they were in some way offensive. Apparently, you have no problem with either of them.

    What, then, justifies your accusations of stupidity and lameness aimed at the publishers?

    That’s the point I’m trying to get across but your hairsplitting answers don’t address this.
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20. 20 RonBaltimore Jan 5th, 2009 at 3:42 am

    now another fire in a shopping mall! the hits keep coming.
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21. 21 Candianboy Jan 5th, 2009 at 7:16 am

    Thats brutal.
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22. 22 Bangkokrecorder Jan 5th, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    Everybody has his own opinion so we don’t take offense at this post.

    As was said earlier correctly….we kind of work like a blog….the last posts stay on the frontpage. Nothing is promoted specifically. So as this was a new year party, it so happened to be still there as it was a recent event.

    But our opinion is this: We think it would be insensitive to take down the MANY COMMENTS OFERING CONDOLENCE below the post. They all seem to have not been offended, so we don’t see a problem there. In a few days it will be off the homepage anyway.

    Also, to say that other pages who are having this online are doing it the right way just because they have less visitors is a pretty lame reason

    Anyway, I can see from the above comments that at least half of your readers do not agree with you. And before sb asks, this is my first post here. The above are readers comments not mine.

    Best
    Bangkokrecorder
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23. 23 sideshowBOB Jan 5th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    br - everyone does indeed so no drama

    to be clear - since no one seems to get what I am saying. I did not say remove the post or comments. I said I don’t think it should be on the front page. pretty simple. obviously my opinion and it has not changed.

    the comment on mikes site was that his front page is not set up the same so if u visit his site u don’t see the promo widget for the party - on your site u do. right above the fold for everyone to see.

    now if there is some technical issue that prevents u from removing the promo from the front page without removing the post then I dont know what to tell u but if it were my sight I would not have the party promoted on the front page with another article talking about the accident. just seems insensitive.

    that’s all.

    the beauty of this world and blogs is dissenting views - is it not?
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24. 24 Bangkokrecorder Jan 5th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    Yes it is….. We did not know people might see it this way.

    We can remove posts of course. But considering the amount of comments on that post I think most people got the message that this is not a “promotional” post. It might be misunderstood if we remove those comments, too.

    Well, I have people comment on our page too on this to see what they have to say… we are definitely interested.
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25. 25 SukPsycho Jan 5th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    Funny to notice that each time someone does not agree with you, you consider that he’s not getting what you said!
    Happy new year SSB!
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26. 26 sideshowBOB Jan 5th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    suk - i only said that because br and over thought i meant delete the post.I did not.

    u never get what I say so no drama.

    happy new year to u as well

    
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27. 27 pmmp Jan 5th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    Since BR is counting the number of people for and against, I will comment on the side of moving the post off the front page. It’s common sense which is why I didn’t comment in the first place.
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28. 28 jim Jan 5th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    I don’t really see a big difference between the front page, the 2nd page or the 16th page tbh.

    Having the promo still online (on any page) is either insensitive or not - Not imo.

    Perhaps I’m just not as sensitive as you sensitive souls out there…
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29. 29 jim Jan 5th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    It really comes down to intent.

    Do they intend to leave the flyer up to promote the club or so the comments of condolences can still be read?

    Seeing as the club no longer exists I would guess the answer is pretty obvious.

    Anyway, enough of this storm in a teacup.
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30. 30 spats Jan 5th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    Jim. you are right, its a storm in a teacup, but for me, I think SSB is being quite tame on this subject, Its just commonsense and a bit of sensitivity to the user community to remove an obvious advertisement to an event that turned into a tragedy, technology non withstanding…
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31. 31 Zack Permon Jan 6th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    Yesterday…Monday…the Bangkok Post ran a story where the reporter went to Ekkamai to see how the nightlife was reacting to the Santika tragedy…most clubs were busy-ish although the reporter focussed on one club which he/she named and where the identified owner promised he had all the escape, fire fighting and warning gear you could wish for in place. By contrast, the reporter had discovered another club nearby which was big and popular but all but totally devoid of any escape routes, fire extinguishers or safety procedures. A fire trap. He/she returned to the viewpoint from the original ’safe’ club and at no point in the story did they identify the fire trap they visited. Totally irresponsible and typically poor grasp of their responsibility as a newspaper/reporter. Little wonder I am now paranoid about where my girls go of an evening.
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32. 32 sideshowBOB Jan 6th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    z - interesting. given thailand’s funky libel laws and what has happened to reporters in the past my guess is it could simply be that they were afraid to or they were told if they did the owner might take action?

    hard to say but weird indeed.
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33. 33 Santana Jan 7th, 2009 at 9:35 am

    Well if BR is counting you can certainly claim me as against.

    The way I see it, if my son or daughter was attracted to go to this club by BangkokRecorder and the promotional flyer on the site, and now we are discussing the tragic event with he same flyer… I would find it extremely tasteless and inconsiderate. No picture or a simple phrase showing emphaty would have been classier…
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