Hopefully things will get back to normal by the 6th since I am planning on hitting a g-club I have never been to with some blog buddies. Purely for research purposes. Had a crew in town on Thursday and we hit it hard - I am just recovering now…
Seeing a lot of new commenters on the blog as of late. We extend our sickest welcome to you and hope u like it here. We appreciate all the readers, commenters and submitters. Nov was a record month for the blog and it appears that after the virus fiasco we are back to steady growth. Maybe someday we can be as popular as DTR. Once again I extend a welcome to anyone who wants to put in a reader’s submission but would also love it if we have readers who want to step up and offer any regular updates from cities other than Bangkok. Just email if so.
We had a nice mention for the Duke Pub in Stick this week. For all the specials at Duke go here - and the menu for the buffet changes day to day if anyone was curious. We also have free Wi-Fi at Duke with plenty of power outlets. Yes - we are nerds at heart. The stick column was interesting since it hits on what I have always talked about which is the difficult transition from holidaying in Thailand to living here. I think you have to concentrate on staying busy and cut the going out otherwise you will grow bored of it. I find the less I go out the more I enjoy it. I am working harder on building my harem rather than drinking.
Cowboy rundown - what I can remember of it.
We started in Deja Vu which out of the GBWML gets my vote for best go-go. There are more than a few hotties in there and I did not spot a LB among them. They have decent music and the girls upstairs get rowdy without their underwear on. Awesome. However the ladydrink prices and barfines are over the top. I revolt by buying very few drinks and I refuse to pay the barfine. The fine underwearless lass happily gave me her number though so not like it matters much to me. Being the bar with the most expensive drinks and barfines can’t be good for business.
Then I met the boys in Jungle Jims but thankfully they were ready to leave so I did not stay to check out the place.
Then we traversed across the way over to Shadow Bar to chat with our good friends Pete(playskool Pete), PJ and Jason. Sad news folks - PJs restaurant on Suk 31 is closed. U can auction your PJs VIP card on Ebay. Someone will want it. We had more than a few rounds at Shadow - thanks Pete. Shadow bar is essentially a normal pub on Cowboy. Draft beers and tons of TVs. No bargirls I think but the waitress kept feeling me up or maybe it was Jason. I am not sure really.
I think we then went to Shark but there was no where to sit.
Then we went to Afterskool. What can I say other than things can get out of control here. I can’t do the public BJ or HJ thing. Just not my style. However watching other’s faces, getting some good ransom photos and generally partaking in obscene nuttiness has its moments. I think u have to be with the right group of people and way drunk though. The bartender in Afterskool is super cute.
After Afterskool I think we tried Shark again - still no seats.
At one point we ended up in Shebas but it was just not happening since the only cuties are in the A team and that’s it. I think we popped into the remodeled Tilac but I can’t remember. Then we headed to Spicy which I talked about here.
Lots of stuff in comments about guys and what happens with multiple girl situations and how to deal with it all. WW brought up some of it here and the follow-on comments have been great. I struggle all the time with this is Thailand but in the real-world this is hardly an issue. I complied a small list of sorts for how I continue to look at the separate possible paths. There is no priority in this order - just a list.
- I could stay single and just man-whore around: I have tried this on and off for years but I find I tire of it. I like the mental stimulation of a regular girl who gets me and I have fun with outside of the sack.
- I could have a girlfriend and live with her: No - no reason to have a live-in unless u are married or have children and I may challenge this notion in the future by having multiple houses, apartments or a multiple storied house. Even if u have a steady girl no reason for her not to live in her own pad. Thai girl apartments are cheap.
- If one has a GF should she know u fool around?: I think u do your best to keep it discreet. Hence short time hotels, separate side-salad shagging shacks, the other girl’s room and so on. Your steady will say anything u want to hear but the line about yes u can see other girls cause I want u to be happy is as believable as when George Bush says we are making progress in Iraq. Please.
- One has a steady girl who claims to be into other girls: Fine. Establish the truth of this very quickly in whatever manner works. I suggest u go to a go-go bar out of her home area and find the cutest girl she is into that will do a 3some. Tear in without holding back. If she is still into u and happy then do it as many times as u can as long as she is into the whole process. If she balks then she is not into it and was pulling a George Bush. Find a new one who really is.
- Further to this - my current situation - is how does one become Hugh Hefner and make the more than one girl thing a regular part of life?: I am not sure yet but I will probably die trying. There must be a way though for the girls to co-exist and be open about it all since from time to time we all share the bed. Hugh pulled it off. He can’t be the only one. What I am talking about here is to always have the girls around and be with them together as much as possible with the girls knowing and understanding the situation. Global warming may be easier to solve than this.
- Have a steady but also a mia noi: Okay. So u have your main squeeze but you also have another on the side. A steady side-salad. In this case does the main girl know? Probably she should not but this assumption was recently challenged when one of the most clued-in Thai girls I know mentioned that she and her mom know that her dad’s mia noi lives across the street from them. Everyone is cool with it cause he takes good care of them all. God I love Thialand. She even went on to say that she would rather be the mia noi than the main squeeze since it would be easier and more fun. I love Thailand even more now.
There u go. My little list for how I look at my life when it comes to girls. I am a mess thanks to Thailand.
Folks back in the real-world - u see why life is not easy here don’t you?
I had a steady girlfriend for a year, but she moved out in an amicable separation about 3 months ago, and she relocated outside of Bangkok. She visits about twice a month and she stays with me for a few days, then heads out again. In between, I have about 4 ‘regular’ girls that I can call (or who often call me) when in the mood for a shag. Once a week or so I go trolling for fresh meat, and if I find someone I like, she is invited to join the roster of regulars.
Another Duke writeup here
View all comments by werewolf
I’m of the opinion that if you are telling a girl that she is your girlfriend, you had better mean it.
Thai girls are like all women and appreciate honesty. Girls will still sleep with you after you tell them you’re jao shoo or have many gigs or that she will not be your girlfriend. There isn’t much drama if you lay it out on the line.
The line about the yellow shirt is so damned true it’s unbelievable. If you can back it up with the Thai language skills and manners, you’re already tip in.
View all comments by Paul
p - not sure what u mean by your first line. So u are saying that if I call her my gf I need to mean it. What does that entail exactly?
I am honest with her. She likes girls. I do too. I have told her that she can live with me in a big house with another girl and we all live happily ever after. Her response is let’s go house shopping then.
Love the shirt.
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Great update on the Cowboy. I have a newbie question regarding some of the other venues. I recall some minor mention of Toxic and Glow months back. On my first trip to Bangkok, I had done some research on nightlife locations. One site(I won’t post it since I’m not sure if it’s a violation of policy, it’s a site not usually updated) showed some pretty nice pictures of a few bargirls and bartenders at Glow and Toxic. They appear to be pretty high caliber possibly Ratchada Sideline model types, my question I guess is if they are barfine’able’ and what would be the costs? I apologize if I’m straying from the discussion topic.
On a more related note, during my last trip. I had the pleasure of tasting a great meal at Dukes, but I still have to say the Mango burgers’ were the best. Hope to chow down at the new location upon my return.
View all comments by Crazy Jack
Hugh has a lot of money but if you haven’t got as much as him, Thailand is the country it’s possible in. I prefer one girl at a time with the odd piece on the side. When I had loads my phone never stopped ringing and the one day it didn’t ring was always the day I felt like going out and sampling that strange new pussy.
View all comments by Young Royal
Not to start bashing people here, but when I read sh@t like this it’s no wonder some of you guys frequently visit or have moved to Thailand for the sole purpose of paying for sex. Come on fellas do you think this topic is really healthy.
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YES MAN
Dec 4th, 2007 at 7:13 am
….some of you guys frequently visit or have moved to Thailand for the sole purpose of paying for sex…..
And the other reasons someone might visit or move to Thailand would be…uh,what? I’m scratching my head.
To see the great beauty of the Thai landscape? To enjoy the free and open public policy debates conducted under a democratic government? To study with the great intellectuals in Thai universities? Even my wife says there is no reason other than Thai women for anyone in his right mind to hang around here in our little Third World shithole.
And that’s the name of that tune.
View all comments by Old Asia Hand
Farangs in yellow shirts amuse me. I am not sure what to make of it.
Of course I have nothing against, it personal preference and all that, but do you really love the king or are you trying to blend in? Or are you forced to wear one by your boss/gf/mum-in-law etc..
View all comments by MSB
smitty- ‘meaning it’ with a girlfriend means not feeding her a line of bs.. not that you do, but I know alot of white guys in bkk feel like they need to lie to sleep with the good girls.
by freely admitting that i am jao shoo i notice that i have alot fewer problems with dramatic and clingy women. i also have lots of friends that are chicks. some choose to sleep with me and some don’t.
I think that telling someone you love them or have a future with them or leading them on is not terirbly respectable. white dudes bitch about being ripped off by thai girls. you don’t read too many stories of guys leading ‘good’ thai girls on with false promises and then dumping them.. leaving them heartbroken. i’ve seen it done alot, and I am certainly guilty of it in the past.
next time a girl asks you if have a girlfriend, tell her you have too many.
View all comments by Paul
msb: I used to feel the same way about the yellow shirts but I’ve gotten enough feedback from the locals to know that wearing a yellow/blue/pink royalty shirt is a show of respect more than anything else. They all love seeing Farangs wear the colors.
View all comments by pmmp
I was in Afterschool last week and thought I would never put myself in the naughty corner. After 3 or 4 tequillas, I found myself getting a HJ from 2 hot chicks. How often do they clean that stool?
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yes mam - what is it exactly u have a problem? better to use your comments to articulate your point rather than randomly point a finger with very little substance. thanks.
everyone knows that without the women Thailand would cease to be a functioning country.
msb - I wear the shirt on monday’s cause that is the day to wear it. It is out fo respect and I enjoy doing it. Gets a lot of smiles and starts a few conversations. I wear the shirt style with writing on it since I think it is more fun.
paul - I am with u. All parties know the deal. My girl knows the deal and so do the other girls but I still have scheduling conflicts and such. Either way I still want to be Hugh.
zdan - I won’t go near the stool.
View all comments by smitty
@ MSB i gotta agree there
IMHO when i see a ferang wearing the yellow, i get the impression there trying a bit too hard. on a par with foreigners who ‘wai’
Personally i find living in thailand if i havent got a steady live-in independant non ‘working’ GF then im on a collision course to trouble. I have a weak will and find myself drinking myself into oblivion every day and falling into ‘holiday mode’ 365 days a year.
Pretty sad i guess but true.
Thats why Im into my soapies - No danger of being caught red handed, smelling of perfume, hairs in the bed, incriminating text messages or all the shyte that comes with playing girls off against each other.
View all comments by Penfold
p - if u mean farags wai’ing other farangs then I agree but not in the same vein as the yellow shirt at all.
Given u seem to understand the gf thing - my gf bought mine for me. She prides herself on finding a t-shirt that was fun and different than the standard yellow collared shirt. She says I should wear it for the king - not for the thais. I do but the ladies love it.
soapies are a godsend.
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If missy bought you the tshirt, then thats a different story. Suppose if GF bought me the kings colors as a gift id feel obliged to wear it
Sadly i know a few who wear the yellow just for the attention especially on nights out which smacks a bit of desperation.
With wai’ing only time i ever ‘wai’ is meeting GFs parents/ family, i tend to cringe when i see ferangs wai’ing every1 and any1 (thais and ferangs), just a simple nod of the head does the trick i find
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Good to hear that things are doing well in LOS.
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@Yesman - I moved to Thailand to have sex/relationships with feminine girls not to pay for sex. If I wanted to pay for sex I would of stayed in England.
One of my Thai friends (male) bought me a yellow shirt and most of the girls like me wearing it, although the last one doesn’t. I tend to wear yellow on Monday but not the actual shirt.
Of course you should Wai when appropriate, otherwise it like saying that foreigners look stupid shaking peoples hands in England. I know it’s not exactly the same but it’s showing a interest in there culture just like bothering to learn the language is respectful.
View all comments by Young Royal
Learning the language is showing a basic level of respect, especially as its essential if you plan on living/working here. Personally i think wearing the yellow is going above and beyond to the point of trying too hard.
Saying that i do wear the thailand FBT football shirt - kind of the same but different if that makes sense?
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Yellow shirts. . . . good for an opener.
followed by the chorus from “Sharp-dressed man” 
Later on after the “Oh (bat bat) you can sapeak Thai” stuff wears off, but they’ve had time to check out ‘the furniture’ a little, one might whistle a few bars from one of those catchy morning Skytrain ditties
In Thailand: “Old Guys Rule” but we do need all the help we can get
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Fantastic
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I guess my point is this blog is about how to have a normal girlfriend and still have sex with prostitutes on the side. Should’nt that idea be repulsive?
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@YES MAN; what exactly do you find repulsive? Having a normal girlfriend or having sex with prostitutes? Maybe you should stick to reading the Bible or maybe that is where you got your ideas in the first place.
View all comments by hanuman
Paying for sex is great. I Found it a little off that this guy wrote about wanting to have a girlfriend but still wanted to have sex with many other women. Not on person commented that the might be a little sleazy. How can on have a girlfriend if he is always lying to her and having sex with other women. I really enjoy reading this site entertaining stuff.
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When I was still married, I had a mia noy for 3 years and for a litlle while I had a third girl on the side as well. YES you can call me sleazy or even a slut, but at least I enjoy life and I do understand Smitty’s dilemma.
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With almost daily frequency REAL opportunities to be slutty and sleazy present themselves to us all.
Someone on an earlier post referred to “goodness”.
Guilt (yes, real GUILT!) plays a larger role these days.
Rewarding “goodness” with sleaziness does not sit well with me at this stage of the game. So I keep my morally depraved activities to appropriate venues.
It’s probably as close as I’ll ever get to being a good husband.
I must be proud of that or I suppose wouldn’t mention it.
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I’m 100% in agreement with that thongsuk. I do love the morally depraved stuff, though proportionately less as the years go by. All the sneaking around fibbing whilst doing it detracts from the fun, and that bloody guilt just keeps nagging away. Not to mention the chance of those unexplainable hairs popping up in the bed…
View all comments by Combover
@thongsuk - guilt as a concept is vastly overated and thoroughly unnecessary.
@CO - use PB then the long hairs aren’t an issue. shagging another girl in the gf’s “home” bed is just a bit off …
@yes man - I think you’d have a hard time adjusting to Thailand - too many foreign concepts for you to handle - beginning with I am Male I can do 100% of what I want to do 100% of the time - and if you don’t like that - that’s your problem not mine. Understand that doesn’t mean behaving like an idiot or an asshole - it does mean taking control of *your* life
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I don’t really feel the guilt it’s the headache they give me that bothers me. Live and let live girls.
Yes man I kind of see were your coming from but at the same time I totally don’t. The sex part is not really sleazy but I guess the lying mixed with it is. I don’t want to lie about it. With the current GF I have given up lying and she has told me she prefers not to know.
View all comments by Young Royal
@psi100th: I don’t go all hand-wringy with guilt. In fact if I pay for it, there’s little. It’s the longer term side salad stuff that would be emotionally awkward. Women aren’t stupid.
I think you know what I mean.
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yes man - the dude is me so we can have a conversation about this. I am not even saying I am paying for my side action. the point is I am not in thailand to have the western view of the world dumped on me here. my gf knows the scoop - if she does not like it we can break up. no harm no foul. this is a country setup for men to have multiple partners. really is that simple. u think the farangs created the vast system of short time hotels spread throughout the country? u think the member club system designed for married thai guys was built for farangs? don’t think so.
anyway. thailand is a special place. I am a mere amateur trying to learn the ways of my host country and believe me - the natives are far more advanced in their ways then the farangs here could ever be.
over diner last night my gf and I discussed if the girl we both want to see would live with her or not. how is that for some warping of the western mind?
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yes man - I am with you my brother!
smitty - shame on you for running this sleazy site to promote nonmonogamy and infedelity
View all comments by Orion
@Orion: I took this discussion of ‘nonmonogomy’ off the internet:
Many nonmonogamous terms are flexible in definition, because they are based on criteria such as ‘relationship’ or ‘love’ that are themselves variably defined…. In addition, usage creates distinctions beyond the raw definitions of the words. Thus, even though some relationships might technically be considered both polygamous and polyamorous, ‘polygamy’ usually signifies a codified form of multiple marriage, based on established religious teachings, while ‘polyamory’ is based on the preferences of the participants rather than social custom or established precedent.
Based on this discussion it seems that smitty is promoting polyamory as his lifestyle of choice.
the-polyamorite-fucks-2-much ??
Now get your tongue out of your cheek and apologize to yes man!
View all comments by werewolf
polyamory is the devil!
I will pray with yes man for the souls of all you fornicators!
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Here is an honest question……Would any of you be ok with your girlfriend having a younger more attractive side salad herself and maybe shagging the odd target of opportunity.
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yesman: I have no problem with my girlfriend shagging a younger more attractive side salad provided it was a chick of course and that they let me watch from a peephole.
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@yes man: I’ve always assumed that’s exactly what was happening.
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@yes man: I might be as wrong about this (as I am about most of the things I say until they actually happen to someone who actually lives here
) but most ferangs here are under few illusions re: their TG’s exclusivity.
They wouldn’t really care as long as the girl’s side salad was limited to the very occasional Nicoise or a “scratch” Ceasar, or a large Cobb w/ Ranch. . . . and, ah, she like washed out the, uh, bowl after.
But definitely NOT a yam woon sen, larb moo or a 10 chili som tam
There are certain minimum standards.
View all comments by thongsuk
It read once that “Thailand attracts the lowest form of western man there is” But I thought this can’t be true I loved Thailand. Well maybe I’m not as well adjusted as I thought. Maybe I’m a bit of a social outcast that no western woman would entertain. But then again all western women are cows that demand on being treated like princesses I guess.
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yes - get with the thai program is all I can say.
to put it all in perspective the Thai king that Thais worship the most - besides the current King is rama 5. Known to have hundreds of women, hundreds of children, loved whiskey, cigars, opium and whatever else the world offered to him. Also was very traveled and I think spoke a few languages. The thais think he is the bomb.
I am just trying to blend in.
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Yesman. IMHO This “ALL western women are ALL cows” thing is utter nonsense.
Some truly sexy western women actually relax here as girly-girls (not really my type)
Who wouldn’t be more relaxed when NOT surrounded by a coven of fausty-arsed bowl-cut tousled, pimply-butted hose-bags, who after opting for that Women’s Studies MA, noticed all too late the only people who were interested in “studying” THEM or paying ANY attention to them whatsoever, were other women just like them.
Society in general (family structure) and sexual politics in the west are going to take at least a couple of generations to recover from the harm that’s been done to them by these hate groups.
As for the women who bought into this kind of “empowerment”?
Som nam naaa.
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Hi
I have been married for 8 years now.In Thailand.Have got 3 mia noi.My married wife doesnt know(i think).
One of my mia noi’s is pregnant in the 3 month.With me.Is there any good advice for me.Can she use my name as the fathers name, ore will that bring me in trouble?
Is there someboady else in the same situation?
Kanon
View all comments by kanon
k - wow. busy boy
not sure what your question is. since I am not married and don’t have any mia nois I can’t really help u.
why would you want her to use your name - seems if u did this may all somehow get back to your wife if she does not know already.
what are u wishing as the outcome of all this?
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The question is aboat the baby.Since i does not live with this lady, i’l rather want let her use my name as the father.But if she want, and i say no, can i get in some trouble?
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k - seems like u need a lawyer and condoms.
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