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		<title>By: thongsuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>thongsuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ww: Well yeah,  but I read it over before submitting this time and it sounded a bit "seeliat." I'm trying to be funny. . . without emoticons. . . . life is so hard without emoticons. So harsh. So strict. 
I live my life in constant fear of humorless literalists.

Do I really need to hear from someone who doesn't get it (that I figure it's all a game but it's a game that one plays seriously) that I'm cynical? and that I have to take a chill pill? 
What else is a poor man who wants to advance this topic to do? *sigh*

@ggg: I went out on a limb there ggg and you may have had other experience. I know the old stories about 'em but to me they're all so much romantic nonsense. They don't even have the intellect to ACT like proper "mamasans"
(But, *sigh* I AM (admittedly) a cynical prick.) 
For example: The romantic view that the old doosh is there like something out of "Memoires of a Geisha" is patently laughable. She's there to EAT, ggg. And she'll eat your guts if you let her.      
--See? Now that's pretty harsh. Unkind to the matronly old dear's self pumped image as some kind of benevolent Mama who'll help you grab off one of her earners. Do this in the old country and you'll get ole LeRoy beating on her and you as well if he can. 
Naaw. She's not really there to do you any favors ggg.

She'll let the same rascal get bought out three or four times in a single year for one thing. 
An she'll eat EVERY time she does it!
And then listen to your sob story.

Good friends over the years have run some of the biggest and most successful joints in the business. 

Burn that "mamsan" myth.
I buy NONE of the oft-touted "Inn of the Sixth HAppiness" folklore.

And guys? 
Let's play together to do ALL we can to make "mamsans" irrelevant !
Who really needs 'em? 

@ ww Is it really the same without smilies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ww: Well yeah,  but I read it over before submitting this time and it sounded a bit &#8220;seeliat.&#8221; I&#8217;m trying to be funny. . . without emoticons. . . . life is so hard without emoticons. So harsh. So strict.<br />
I live my life in constant fear of humorless literalists.</p>
<p>Do I really need to hear from someone who doesn&#8217;t get it (that I figure it&#8217;s all a game but it&#8217;s a game that one plays seriously) that I&#8217;m cynical? and that I have to take a chill pill?<br />
What else is a poor man who wants to advance this topic to do? *sigh*</p>
<p>@ggg: I went out on a limb there ggg and you may have had other experience. I know the old stories about &#8216;em but to me they&#8217;re all so much romantic nonsense. They don&#8217;t even have the intellect to ACT like proper &#8220;mamasans&#8221;<br />
(But, *sigh* I AM (admittedly) a cynical prick.)<br />
For example: The romantic view that the old doosh is there like something out of &#8220;Memoires of a Geisha&#8221; is patently laughable. She&#8217;s there to EAT, ggg. And she&#8217;ll eat your guts if you let her.<br />
&#8211;See? Now that&#8217;s pretty harsh. Unkind to the matronly old dear&#8217;s self pumped image as some kind of benevolent Mama who&#8217;ll help you grab off one of her earners. Do this in the old country and you&#8217;ll get ole LeRoy beating on her and you as well if he can.<br />
Naaw. She&#8217;s not really there to do you any favors ggg.</p>
<p>She&#8217;ll let the same rascal get bought out three or four times in a single year for one thing.<br />
An she&#8217;ll eat EVERY time she does it!<br />
And then listen to your sob story.</p>
<p>Good friends over the years have run some of the biggest and most successful joints in the business. </p>
<p>Burn that &#8220;mamsan&#8221; myth.<br />
I buy NONE of the oft-touted &#8220;Inn of the Sixth HAppiness&#8221; folklore.</p>
<p>And guys?<br />
Let&#8217;s play together to do ALL we can to make &#8220;mamsans&#8221; irrelevant !<br />
Who really needs &#8216;em? </p>
<p>@ ww Is it really the same without smilies?<br /> <a href="http://www.tfs2m.com/viewcomments/2736540405" rel="nofollow">View all comments by thongsuk</a></p>
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		<title>By: werewolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>werewolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thongsuk:  Eleven emoticons in a single comment!  You're very close to a yellow card.</description>
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		<title>By: go go groupie</title>
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		<dc:creator>go go groupie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thongsuk - your insights have caused me to put aside my work and ponder some of the more subtle aspects of the go go social structure (thank you).  for instance, isn't there a strong mamasan/working girl bond in most cases (i've heard rumors of how the mamasan is often more attentive to the girls than the real mama back in the amphoe, or how when mamasans change bars they end up bringing nearly half the girls along)?  if so, won't taking the piss out of mama possibly backfire and cause you to lose your chance with the rascal you really want?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thongsuk - your insights have caused me to put aside my work and ponder some of the more subtle aspects of the go go social structure (thank you).  for instance, isn&#8217;t there a strong mamasan/working girl bond in most cases (i&#8217;ve heard rumors of how the mamasan is often more attentive to the girls than the real mama back in the amphoe, or how when mamasans change bars they end up bringing nearly half the girls along)?  if so, won&#8217;t taking the piss out of mama possibly backfire and cause you to lose your chance with the rascal you really want?<br /> <a href="http://www.tfs2m.com/viewcomments/2240044101" rel="nofollow">View all comments by go go groupie</a></p>
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		<title>By: thongsuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>thongsuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GGG: Right on.
We drop into go-go's to play and to get laid ST, not to be treated like fools.  The old "Mae" knows she's well past her due date, she's clearly seen that the only way left for her is to repackage herself as a hospitality professional.
That "mamasan 101 arm wave" is 100% for the girls, to show them what a leader she is. .. and how they need her to make it happen. It's sick and it's insulting as hell.  A Thai man would ignore them.

 :-) Let's think of some ways we can have some fun with her and more importantly MAKE HER IRRELAVENT  :-)

The papasan number is the way to do it. :-) 
"Hey Dude. You, uh, 'unencumbered'? :-) Wanna get 'cumbered';-? Check 'em out. Call me if you need me. Beer? :-) No thanks, I don't drink on the job. Gimme a shout after you've, um, kicked the tires for a while. Have a pleasant ride" :-)
(Michael Keaton as pimp Shelly Long as 'treat')

I too have "responded in kind" but it's just too much of a reach for them. In "making light" you're telling "Mae" that her "work" is stupid and her "take care act" is goofy. After all, you're asking a Thai to laugh at herself and to encourage others who report to her to do the same. 
Good luck with that one. 
 
Ask her "Khun tam arai, yuu, naa ?" 
Catch the eye of the girls and then gesture for her to cover her pits. (Smile)
Tell her she has breath issues. (Smile)
Tell her to go help the tourists (wave to them) or to clean the toilet. (Smile)
Tell her in English that you're quite sure there is some useful agricultural task she could be performing back in her village.
Try to spot the REAL "mamasan" in the room. (Breezer? ONLY! Get the bitch pissed :-)

Risk of comprehension is nill of course. But you'll feel better.
('all works for me . . . but I'm a bit of a prick, (ask around ;-) . . . I don't even wai after all)

I've found that another nice table-turner (if you have the stomach for it) can be to shoot a lascivious look at the old dragon herself and ask her, How much?" She'll answer some outrageous amount and then you get to your yee-sip baht roll and peel one off like it was a big deal. Ask her how she likes it. Won't take long to drive her off if she's the butt of jokes. And the girls see it.

But always smile and always flirt with the rascal you want to ravage while you're trashing "mae". And slip the odd 20 into Noi's thong (if you're an older guy like me) to show you mean business. (Preferably the twenty/fifty you have just offered this annoying "mamasan" for public head: Right here. Right now. In the bar!

You can be SURE the girls, unless really "suebuea" (and, um,don't ever rule that out ;-) ) feel much the same as punters do. It's a great way to separate the thinking ones from the dummies.  . . the funsters from the followers.

"Mae" is really performing for the newbie farm-girls, after all.  . .  to demonstrate to them how her advanced social skills, her linguistic skills and her knowledge of "the way of the farang " will be invaluable to them if they want to earn real money.
So make a fool of her in front of them. She'll disappear.

Then barfine your rascal and paper her with a generous tip. (Get her to turn over the battery to her phone ;-) and get your rocket polished by someone who respects what you just did to this parasitic old hose.

Hope this widens the field to a wisecrack or two :-)

I'm in this for the laughs. Hope I don't have to "confetti" the joint with  smilies to get that across.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GGG: Right on.<br />
We drop into go-go&#8217;s to play and to get laid ST, not to be treated like fools.  The old &#8220;Mae&#8221; knows she&#8217;s well past her due date, she&#8217;s clearly seen that the only way left for her is to repackage herself as a hospitality professional.<br />
That &#8220;mamasan 101 arm wave&#8221; is 100% for the girls, to show them what a leader she is. .. and how they need her to make it happen. It&#8217;s sick and it&#8217;s insulting as hell.  A Thai man would ignore them.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.tfs2m.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> Let&#8217;s think of some ways we can have some fun with her and more importantly MAKE HER IRRELAVENT  <img src='http://www.tfs2m.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The papasan number is the way to do it. <img src='http://www.tfs2m.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
&#8220;Hey Dude. You, uh, &#8216;unencumbered&#8217;? <img src='http://www.tfs2m.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> Wanna get &#8216;cumbered&#8217;;-? Check &#8216;em out. Call me if you need me. Beer? <img src='http://www.tfs2m.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> No thanks, I don&#8217;t drink on the job. Gimme a shout after you&#8217;ve, um, kicked the tires for a while. Have a pleasant ride&#8221; <img src='http://www.tfs2m.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
(Michael Keaton as pimp Shelly Long as &#8216;treat&#8217;)</p>
<p>I too have &#8220;responded in kind&#8221; but it&#8217;s just too much of a reach for them. In &#8220;making light&#8221; you&#8217;re telling &#8220;Mae&#8221; that her &#8220;work&#8221; is stupid and her &#8220;take care act&#8221; is goofy. After all, you&#8217;re asking a Thai to laugh at herself and to encourage others who report to her to do the same.<br />
Good luck with that one. </p>
<p>Ask her &#8220;Khun tam arai, yuu, naa ?&#8221;<br />
Catch the eye of the girls and then gesture for her to cover her pits. (Smile)<br />
Tell her she has breath issues. (Smile)<br />
Tell her to go help the tourists (wave to them) or to clean the toilet. (Smile)<br />
Tell her in English that you&#8217;re quite sure there is some useful agricultural task she could be performing back in her village.<br />
Try to spot the REAL &#8220;mamasan&#8221; in the room. (Breezer? ONLY! Get the bitch pissed <img src='http://www.tfs2m.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Risk of comprehension is nill of course. But you&#8217;ll feel better.<br />
(&#8217;all works for me . . . but I&#8217;m a bit of a prick, (ask around <img src='http://www.tfs2m.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . . . I don&#8217;t even wai after all)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found that another nice table-turner (if you have the stomach for it) can be to shoot a lascivious look at the old dragon herself and ask her, How much?&#8221; She&#8217;ll answer some outrageous amount and then you get to your yee-sip baht roll and peel one off like it was a big deal. Ask her how she likes it. Won&#8217;t take long to drive her off if she&#8217;s the butt of jokes. And the girls see it.</p>
<p>But always smile and always flirt with the rascal you want to ravage while you&#8217;re trashing &#8220;mae&#8221;. And slip the odd 20 into Noi&#8217;s thong (if you&#8217;re an older guy like me) to show you mean business. (Preferably the twenty/fifty you have just offered this annoying &#8220;mamasan&#8221; for public head: Right here. Right now. In the bar!</p>
<p>You can be SURE the girls, unless really &#8220;suebuea&#8221; (and, um,don&#8217;t ever rule that out <img src='http://www.tfs2m.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) feel much the same as punters do. It&#8217;s a great way to separate the thinking ones from the dummies.  . . the funsters from the followers.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mae&#8221; is really performing for the newbie farm-girls, after all.  . .  to demonstrate to them how her advanced social skills, her linguistic skills and her knowledge of &#8220;the way of the farang &#8221; will be invaluable to them if they want to earn real money.<br />
So make a fool of her in front of them. She&#8217;ll disappear.</p>
<p>Then barfine your rascal and paper her with a generous tip. (Get her to turn over the battery to her phone <img src='http://www.tfs2m.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> and get your rocket polished by someone who respects what you just did to this parasitic old hose.</p>
<p>Hope this widens the field to a wisecrack or two <img src='http://www.tfs2m.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m in this for the laughs. Hope I don&#8217;t have to &#8220;confetti&#8221; the joint with  smilies to get that across.<br /> <a href="http://www.tfs2m.com/viewcomments/2736540405" rel="nofollow">View all comments by thongsuk</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Heckler</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Heckler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BBB -- That's an easy one!  It means it's time to go to the clinic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BBB &#8212; That&#8217;s an easy one!  It means it&#8217;s time to go to the clinic!<br /> <a href="http://www.tfs2m.com/viewcomments/3399806058" rel="nofollow">View all comments by The Heckler</a></p>
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		<title>By: smitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>smitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gg - I usually just tell them to leave and never come back to my table or I will pay the bill and go. I just can't stand any of them anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gg - I usually just tell them to leave and never come back to my table or I will pay the bill and go. I just can&#8217;t stand any of them anymore.<br /> <a href="http://www.tfs2m.com/viewcomments/62563103" rel="nofollow">View all comments by smitty</a></p>
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		<title>By: go go groupie</title>
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		<dc:creator>go go groupie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>surely someone has a witty retort to the mamasan 101 arm flourish - i've responding in kind (i.e. waving my arm to indicate all the punters in attendance while givning the sly, inviting smile to make a choice), sometimes they'll laugh it off but oftentiems they'll just give you a dumbfounded stare and walk away completely miffed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>surely someone has a witty retort to the mamasan 101 arm flourish - i&#8217;ve responding in kind (i.e. waving my arm to indicate all the punters in attendance while givning the sly, inviting smile to make a choice), sometimes they&#8217;ll laugh it off but oftentiems they&#8217;ll just give you a dumbfounded stare and walk away completely miffed.<br /> <a href="http://www.tfs2m.com/viewcomments/2240044101" rel="nofollow">View all comments by go go groupie</a></p>
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		<title>By: smitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>smitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 04:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ts - I love the papasan massage parlour style - can I help u find a girl? What do u like? That type of shit. Generally they always do me a good turn. I will tip them and get a number and sometimes call ahead to reserve a girl but the go-go style mamasan kills me. They can all go as far as I am concerned.

Electric blue patpong mamasans are some of the worst in town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ts - I love the papasan massage parlour style - can I help u find a girl? What do u like? That type of shit. Generally they always do me a good turn. I will tip them and get a number and sometimes call ahead to reserve a girl but the go-go style mamasan kills me. They can all go as far as I am concerned.</p>
<p>Electric blue patpong mamasans are some of the worst in town.<br /> <a href="http://www.tfs2m.com/viewcomments/62563103" rel="nofollow">View all comments by smitty</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of a chemistry experiment that I used to perform at school. Shake the liquid in the test tube and leave to stand for 10 minutes. If it turns into a cloudy suspension then…but for the life of me I can’t remember what the experiment was.

There was some advice I read in a sex manual that guys who are prone to premature ejaculation should knock one off the wrist before seeing their girlfriend to ensure that they lasted longer. I supposed this advice may need to be re-considered if your girl is the suspicious type. But if you think she might be checking up on you then it is all the more reason to make sure that she swallows…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of a chemistry experiment that I used to perform at school. Shake the liquid in the test tube and leave to stand for 10 minutes. If it turns into a cloudy suspension then…but for the life of me I can’t remember what the experiment was.</p>
<p>There was some advice I read in a sex manual that guys who are prone to premature ejaculation should knock one off the wrist before seeing their girlfriend to ensure that they lasted longer. I supposed this advice may need to be re-considered if your girl is the suspicious type. But if you think she might be checking up on you then it is all the more reason to make sure that she swallows…<br /> <a href="http://www.tfs2m.com/viewcomments/2881690096" rel="nofollow">View all comments by Mike Phillips</a></p>
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		<title>By: hanuman</title>
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		<dc:creator>hanuman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Daywalker; My mistake, you are Bert on a rampage in Bangkok, it's Ernie who's missing.</description>
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